WSBK » PTR scraps WSBK plans, looks to BSB


PTR decides against stepping up to WSBK next season because of a change in the new regulations, but may turn to a BSB entry instead

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Lord Flashheart

August 23, 2014 3:16 PM

IMHO neither championship needs them. PTR are one of those teams that have made a business out of going racing but in the most negative way. £100,000 or so I hear they would ask you to bring and more often than not they end up with a 'pay your way' rider that isn't world level and wasting petrol (not Kennedy) and even then the level of equipment is questionable. I don't like buckmaster - he seems to be making a living out of the riders because it's easier than finding sufficient sponsorship. The sport needs to survive but not like this...

shamarone

August 23, 2014 3:51 PM

re: "PTR team manager Simon Buckmaster says has come about as a result of the factory teams having too much influence."

well they only manufacture all the kit don't they...? Dorna manufactures f#@ckall. we're consumers, they're PRODUCERS. it's only logical. (Liam talking to Marco from Tropoja)

re: "There is a cap on electronic costs but in reality after the companies have clawed back the loss of the sale of the hardware in service charges this will not save as much as it should"

this was always going to happen.

re: “With this in mind we may have to drop our ambitions to move up to the Superbike class in the World Championship."

not the worse decision. be thankful there's an alternative. if you were stateside you wouldn't even have that.

re: "Put simply, without a much larger budget we simply could not compete."

the way of the world innit...? none of this is unique to motorbikes or motorsports. you'd have this problem even if you were coaching footballers or advertising widgets.

SeymoreRacing

August 23, 2014 6:36 PM
Last Edited 5 days ago

Wasn't it only a couple of weeks ago that Scott Smart was being widely applauded for coming up with a set of WSB technical rules that were regarded as being a good balance between managing costs whilst allowing sensible levels of electronics and technical advance?

As much as I enjoy BSB, it has become an event where there is managed parity i.e. the rules are manipulated to try and level the field artificially and the bikes are technically less advanced that the road bikes on which they are based. The result is that speeds and performance have declined. Not convinced? Look at the BSB website and check out the lap records per circuit. You may be surprised to see how many records date back to 2005 and 2006. That says something.

As for a second bike, most of the top teams effectively have one already - it is just broken up into parts and sub-assemblies waiting to be built up. Racing is an expensive business, always has been, always will be. If you don't have the readies to play, tough.

Cubikrube

August 23, 2014 6:57 PM

Scott produced a good set of rules, since then the teams have slowly picked bits apart....I mean, those evo bikes were gaining experience this year so they might be at an advantage next. Now that's been thrown out of the window.
Agree on Buckmasters way of doing things, not right at all.
The whole thing is a bit of a mess tbh, sad to see

ProfessorX

August 24, 2014 2:29 AM
Last Edited 22 days ago

SeymoreRacing:
As much as I enjoy BSB, it has become an event where there is managed parity i.e. the rules are manipulated to try and level the field artificially and the bikes are technically less advanced that the road bikes on which they are based. The result is that speeds and performance have declined. Not convinced? Look at the BSB website and check out the lap records per circuit. You may be surprised to see how many records date back to 2005 and 2006. That says something.


You could say the same thing about F1 too. FIM needs to ban Traction control and the control tire, until then, the manufacturers will have too much influence and sponsors will be less inclined to bid on teams who have no shot, because they are not the factory teams.

Also, MotoGP stands to gain if WSBK falls through the floor, superior racing, and for which if they had the tires, they could go faster than half the MotoGP grid, which some already do, I believe.

ProfessorX

August 24, 2014 2:34 AM

As for lap record times and BSB, did they have the control tires in BSB back in 2005/2006? Didn't Casey Stoner set quite a number of lap records in 2008 before the control tire? lolz. I think you guys need to realize how bad the control tire is for the integrity of motorcycle racing. It's completely depressed opportunities for quite a number of people, even if some riders were getting better deals from different makes back in the day with respect to tire allocation.

TalentFan

August 24, 2014 7:28 PM

good grief. Racing NEEDS parity between machines. Speed & lap times cannot keep getting faster all the time, tracks cant sustain that. A Race Series needs proper racing beyond all else, & submitting to Factory wants & domination eliminates Racing.

See MotoGP for the worst proof & hopeless no-hope of 80% of the field.

So use rules to make and maintain parity, and maximise the actual important part - the riders skills and human not technological contribution.

See BSB.

in this I agree with Buckmaster. Racing and competition, and the quality and depth of field is sold out in WSBK & MotoGP so that Factory teams can dominate, while private teams either cant afford to be there at all, and/or can only hope to be grid fillers.

Fans need to wise up, understand and accept whats really important in Racing (the bloody Racing and the Riders FFS).

V4Poweeeer

August 25, 2014 4:30 AM
Last Edited 21 days ago

Beat me with a stick but the problem here isn't so much wsbk technical reguoations but I think PTR just can't afford to cart all there bikes around the world.

The logistical costs are the biggest issue in international motorcycle racing bike spec only accounts for so much.

Stepping back to bsb seems more of a logistics amd sponsorship issue but end of the day bsb is the series winning here with PBM oikely going back to bsb with 2 more bikes and PTR now likely going back there with at least one bike in the superbike class the series is set to become even stronger.

As for bsb not breaking records who cares honestly it hasn't prevented Alex Lowes from being a quality rider in wsbk.

Why has gp gone spec ecu and software but not wsbk its mind boggling why they haven't.

If racing was about a one lap speed records we'd have different setups and tyres on the bikes.

TalentFan

August 25, 2014 8:27 AM

Of course I agree with V4 about logistics being a big part of the costs.

But.... private teams would also be able to attract more sponsorship to pay for such things.... IF the Series afforded such teams a genuine opportunity to compete. Like it or not.... fans tune in to see good close RACING, and Riders fighting against strong rivals, using their skills and talent.

Allowing Tech Rules that shatter the competition element not only makes the Racing spread out and predictable, but makes most teams grid-fillers only and therefore unattractive to Sponsors and drastically limiting their funding potential. Of course it also consigns many riders with genuine potential to grid-fillers, unable to apply their talent to further their careers, as they are riding far less competitive kit, while the front guys have massive tech rider aid assistance as well.

The directions both WSBK & MotoGP have taken is obviously ridiculous and destructive for the Series' Dorna have a lot to answer for, and H

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